Ask Us Anything Live

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Hey, it's Tommy Smith here and Debbie and I just recorded an episode with a live studio audience for the first time. What you're about to hear was recorded live off the floor at the dine alone store in Toronto at the launch event for the women in media network. The founder of the network, Sarah Burke is our producer, and you'll hear her asking questions on behalf of the audience throughout this episode. Thank you, of course, if you submitted a question on our website, or on Instagram, so things might sound a little different. I promise you a good time and so many laughs Don't even get me started on trying to keep Debbie in line in front of a live audience. Hope you enjoy.

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Okay, now you might recognize these two onstage, Debbie Travis, and

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their podcast is called Trust Me, I'm a decorator, they're going to explain a little bit about that title. We have some live mics so that we can ask questions in the audience. And if it's okay, I'm going to start by welcoming you to your first live tape of Trust Me, I'm a decorator, let me start with this. I would love to hear about the first impressions that you two had of each other. Take us way back. And let's get started. Dreadful. No, Debbie? Okay, no, you can't save us. When I'm the mean. I can't say that she's hamming it up. Because it is our first time recording in front of a live audience. We actually met at a function after the interior design show. And it was probably 22 or three years ago. And there was a cocktail reception at leisure man hotel. And as is your sort of normal mo your a lot of fun at a cocktail reception. And I had known about you for so long from my drinking habits.

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That reputation definitely preceded you. But I had known about you for such a long time. It was such a fan that I kind of like snuck over and sidled up to you and Hans was there as well. And we had this epic, great, amazing screaming laughing conversation at that party. And I have been absolutely in love with you ever since. So, so talk that your first impressions of me?

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Well, we've done a few projects together because both Tommy and I have had our own television shows for many, many years. And we also regulars on all the local shows here. And the daily shows like Marilyn Dennis, so I think we saw each other mostly when we were at Maryland because it was always crazy. There's always a theme. There's always something funny going on. But we always like to talk I'm a good talker, Tommy's a good talker.

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Next week, I'm doing the audio version of of another book, and you have to talk for seven hours a day for four days, five days. You do that anyway. Yeah.

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Even for me, that's quite tough. So when you kind of personalities like us, we didn't take COVID Very well, you know, we were the ones screaming in our windows. Let me out here. So Instagram, we just kind of worked our way around Instagram. And it was the fun, slightly fun early days of television. And I'd started doing a live, which was nothing but trouble. So for example, I was doing one about nutrition with my best friend Jackie Brown, she was on the next street we're in London, and my eyes, my age not great. So finally got the phone so it didn't kind of pop off the thing and everything. And I'm chatting and chatting away and and Jackie's talking about nutrition and we're talking away and we're having a good time and all the questions are coming up, but I can't see them. And there's a banging on the front door and a little house in London. So I finally I said Look, you're gonna have to wait. You know, I have to go out the door and there's a woman standing then going

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to turn your phone around. I said what? And my husband was lying on the sofa, watching television scratching his balls.

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I'm doing this live thing go. So how many beans Should we have a week.

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So anyway, it roared. People loved it. And then Tony and I started talking and we said, well, let's do a live together. And that went crazy. So we started doing live Instagrams. We were being hounded people say I want another one. Another one another one. So we kind of did okay, every Sunday afternoon or whatever. And it became so much fun because you absolutely forget that. I mean, first of all, you're you forget that other people are watching language you can have do it. Yes. Which is why this became a podcast because I knew that if we didn't move to a pre recorded format, Debbie would get cancelled.

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Because, my friend, you said a few things that could have led to indictments on those Instagram lives. Not for you. But for some of the people you were talking to some of my age. We are an opinionated bunch of bitches. We like to say it how it is. But with my family, you know, they're quite strict. So like when we

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Have Christmases and things like that I have to write all the words I'm not allowed to talk about

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Christmas like, I won't say them because they're here and they'll say, Mom, stop. Will you all know if you've got kids that age? You know, there are things you can't talk about? Yeah, but Tommy So Tommy is my buffer sometimes. And we haven't actually seen each other in person because you live in Tuscany or London, and I live here in Toronto, wishing most of the time that I could be in Tuscany. Tommy comes out quite a lot. I do come out. And this is the first time we've seen each other in person since Christmas. Yes. Monday. Yeah. So if you happen to on the flight, oh my god.

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Something happens to you every time you leave the house. So I'm gonna I'm gonna take the bait and ask you, I'm gonna give you an amazing tip. If you get nothing out of this evening. This is a great thing. So I get on the flight. I'm doing this big event for giant Tiger, which I did the last two days. So I have a lovely business class seat. I get on a very nice flight attendant comes over. He's from Argentina. He's very good looking. And it's so pleasing. And can we chat and yeah. He said, Would you like a drink? And I said, Yes. So I have a gin. I have a Cannatonic a big glass of water. And then he puts the food down, which is some tomato we mushy type thing. Yes. And the table collapses. Mean collapses, and we haven't even left the runway and uncared about we had just gone. I'm covered from head to foot in gin, water to everything. And some volun AZ source. I mean, the last time I saw you come out of the kitchen in Tuscany, you recovered and all of that. Oh, no, this is not Yeah, to sit for 10 hours. But I don't know if anybody's been on a flight. If you have an incident on a flight a moment. No writing those shitty letters. I'm sure you've all sent millions of them to. I would like to complain. Yes, it's me again. You know, like, no, they come with an iPad, and they say, Are we recording this? Aren't we? Yes, of course.

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Debbie,

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Debbie, this is your this is your podcast.

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Tommy's gonna hold on. So they come over with an iPad, and they say we're going to do the complaint now. And I said, Oh, that's good. Okay, well, I think it's disgraceful live trading webinar. And I said, Well, what do I get out of it another apology? And they said, no, no, you get 25% off your next flight. So next time you go anywhere, make sure you

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go and complain. 25% That's pretty good. I was gonna say You're lucky that the tray table collapsed and that the door didn't fly off the airplane. Guess what's been happening lately on other flights. But they do make a note. So if you do it 20 times, I think they'd know you're faking it. Oh, well, I mean, I know that that entered your head. I do know that. Oh, God, Debbie, I need you a little bit closer. This very normal for us. We're used to, well, the technical stuff of it brings her to her knees to tears because we're not very technical. So I mean, it's better than the other. Yeah. Chatting for an hour is easy, but doing the tech stuff. I need you to restart your computer. Yeah. I simple my books on it doesn't matter. So always terrified. Yeah, restart your computer. We'll get there. So we're gonna take some audience questions. This is an Ask Us Anything episode. Yes. We love our Ask Us Anything episodes. A former engineer, have a book that you did is on your next chapter. Audio Book is in the room right now. Josh, want to put your hand up, Josh? Oh, good. Well, that's what I'm doing next week. I'm gonna do the next one. But I have to do it in a whole week. You know, it's hard, isn't it? Because you can't have any drink.

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That's not what I meant. But you can't have anything with milk in it. Because then it lines your throat, right? You can't have bubbles, or else you burp. And you're talking because you have to keep the momentum. If you listen, every everybody loves audiobooks. So you have to keep the balance up all the time, you kind of get three o'clock in the morning. And then I when you know, you've got to be up all the time. And it's incredibly hard. And you need somebody nice to do it with you holes. You're a great question, though. His question was what is one of the proudest moments that you shared in that book and Tommy, I would love to hear about one of your proudest moments as well. One of the proudest moments in design your next chapter, I'll try and remember those 2000 End of 2018, it came out. So this was this was a book set around what it's like to jump from one career to the next. And mine was jumping from 2530 years in television, into buying a ruin in Tuscany on a hillside, renovating it and then opening it up to women to come and stay with me. And it was a terrifying thing to do. But when you when you're in that kind of mode, it's a bit like buying a new car, you buy a new red Audi, suddenly you see that car everywhere, right? And so suddenly I became attracted to other people's stories. And you know, surgeons who suddenly decided they wanted to sing, or you know, worked for the bank for 25 years and now I want to go and have a beach bar and I haven't done is that attitude is, you know what? I'm done. I want to do something different. So

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I included all these different stories and I met some incredible, incredible people. But I think the thing that impressed me the most was myself

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does because you don't even I saw that.

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I didn't see it coming.

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But when you when you write this stuff down when people come and stay with us in Tuscany, and I show them the before and afters of this ruin pigs running around, and I mean, it was the most grisly place. And then you see it now, which is so beautiful. I wouldn't do it. Now. If somebody said, you're going to be doing that you're going to take that bunch of pics days and turn them into beautiful sweets for women. I can't do that. I cannot do that. So I think that's where the pride comes in the fact that I did it.

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I mean, for me, it's a similar answer, I think because I, you know, I tried to live within a space where I'm trying to be quite proud of everything that I do. So I have proud moments on a weekly basis. And I try to focus on those, so that it helps with my momentum moving forward. But I will tell you a story. There was a time when I was shooting the wedding show that I did where to I do. And we were shooting in New York City and I had never filmed in New York before. And I kind of had that feeling of you know, this is amazing. It feels like I've arrived, I'm shooting in New York City where Rockefeller Center, I got a private tour of the Rainbow Room. We're shooting at a venue on top of the building that overlooks St. Patrick's Cathedral, it was really spectacular. And I was down in the lobby of the building, waiting for my cue to come out and do some lines that had been handed a few minutes earlier. And my producer was outside and I just checked my phone. And on my phone was a text message from my then boyfriend, saying when you get back on Sunday, I will be gone.

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No, it's not that bad. So this was a thing that should have happened. But it was a little shocking. And the thing that I'm I was so proud of in that moment was that I put the phone back in my back pocket. I went outside and I did exactly what I was supposed to do. And I did it perfectly. And then I pulled my producer aside and told her what had happened. And she asked me if I wanted to cut the day short. And I said no. And I just did it. And I thought you know, you can do that kind of thing. You know, and really bring it professionally in an environment like that. That was years of TV training, coming out and being able to compartmentalize in that way. And I was quite proud of this get on. Yeah, but like I said, I try to have proud moments. Not all of them are that emotionally devastated.

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You guys should listen to the episode they did for Valentine's Day where they talk about some of the breakups and the falling in love. And I'll same guy, same guy. What did the hotel room guy? Yeah. Oh my god, you pick

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out other qualities that are quite something I would love.

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Go into on the women class Tommy in media.

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Live podcast. Well, we could have six six person here. So you can

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I would love to have some other voices on the podcast who has a question they'd like to ask on the microphone that we can bring to you. Don't be shy because obviously we're not what do you come up here? Oh, so this is this your one of your former. Cathy has worked with me for many, many years. Penguin Random House for a long, long time. And was the publicist for the American books coming in? Right. It's the big books and and I have to tell them one story about you so so she had people like Nigella and Deepak Chopra and everything. And when your publicist is with you when you're on a book tour, and my first eight books, which were all design books, were out of New York. And so I got the big budgets. We traveled all over the country together and stuff. And so Kathy and I would crack up so much in the back of the car and one day she says she just had Deepak Chopra Do you remember this story? Deepak in the back of the car? And Kathy's last name is pain depot, you know, you've heard his voice he talks like this and he says, I cannot I cannot get the call. You'll get the pain from now on. Your name is Kathy pleasure.

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never forgot that. And as a publicist, you just laugh and smile.

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So

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we have toured the world together. We've I've worked on your TV shows your books. And so thinking back, what is one of the oddest experiences you've had on the road? Oh my God, there's so many but I know which one you're going for. Because we're still we're still talking for it. So about maybe 15 years ago, there was a movie out with Diane Lane and the best looking man you've ever seen in your life apart from Tommy, very tall and gorgeous and she goes to Chicago and she has an affair. And I think the other guy who was married to Diane Lane makes a lot of horny move. Yes, this was a she does. Anyway it was she you know in the wind came and she

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She was having sex with him in this warehouse and stuff like this. And anyway, so I arrived in a filthy mood in Kansas City. And I'm in a shopping mall where they put these fancy hotels in the mall so people can stay in a nice hotel and shop to drop. And I'm doing a speech and I get into my room and you know, it's very hard on the road and I go in and my room is tiny. Anyway, find a movie, I put it on there. Okay, I'm not eating, I'm not drinking. Anyway, I'm watching this film. And I have something. So I ran downstairs and I asked for a grilled chicken breast and some vegetables. So a little guy, he must be 110 knocks on the door, and he comes in with a tray and the room is honestly the size of this stage. And just as he walks in with the tray, and the television screen is enormous. There are Diane lanes legs in the

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can I see him off.

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And the guy who puts the tray down staring at the NFL God. Anyway, he leaves obviously going to tell everybody and I noticed it's my mistake. It was not a chicken breast. It was a chicken leg. So I called back downstairs and I said, Look, I ordered a chicken breasts and I'm gonna we're gonna leg it. It comes back up the next scenes on and it looks like I'm watching a pointer, right? So you practically are because

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he's walking in like this. And he's done. He's sore off the leg and mashed it. And I'm like, that's the same chicken. You know, don't you know? Anyway, he leaves again. I think I need a drink. So

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brace yourself. So I call downstairs and I said, Could I get a glass of red wine? No, you know what? This is America. This is Kansas? No, you know what? I'll take care of

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a whole karaf What? A karaf. You know what? No, I shouldn't I shouldn't. I'll never get up in the morning. Just bring me half a karaf. Same guy. Next 16 is on he walks in with a plate a napkin which made it worse and a half a carrot.

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A carrot? He thought you needed a carrot while you were watching this movie.

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This apparently they don't have carrots in America, how big was the carrot?

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It was not big enough to me.

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I mean, it begs the question. It's one of those things where it all starts to gel together and you think what are they talking about in the kitchen? Nut Job? Upstairs. You just don't you just put your head under the pillow and cry.

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I think all of us who've been on the road with crews have many, many stories. Have you ever had a violently ill story. Like when you've been shooting on the road. I have a pretty strong constitution. But you know, I had one I was in Atlanta shooting. And I used to get released on that show earlier than the rest of the crew because they we got all of their B roll after I was finished filming my scenes. And so I wouldn't go back to the hotel usually have an early dinner, go to bed early to be fresh for the next day. Very professional, you know. So there was no parties or anything like that. But we were staying in Hilton. And this Hilton had one of those trader Vic's restaurants, like down in the bowels of the hotel, and I thought I was too lazy to go out or research where to go. So I went downstairs and this was before I was vegan, obviously. So I ordered this general Tao chicken and ate it at the bar with a glass of wine and went upstairs and at about two o'clock in the morning. It was Bed Bath and Beyond.

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And I was very panicky because the first time it ever happened to me on a shoot. And I thought a person in this state can't work. So I sent a text message to my producer, knowing that she would be up at like 5am their call was earlier than mine as well. I was a bit of pampered Princess on this show. And I said I don't know what to do. I'm violently ill, and she called me when she got the message and she said what happens in these circumstances, you go to work, and you we have a bucket or we tried to shoot near a toilet and you just do it and I said okay, well how long can I have? And she said I can probably delay getting you to the location until like 10 o'clock. And it was five and I said you know what, I'm going to be better by the time I get there and I did fucking everything. I drank water. I had Gatorade brought up I went to the pharmacy, like ran to the pharmacy and back to because I couldn't be more than two feet from a toilet and took every kind of pill that was available and many of them probably overdosed on modems and went to work and I was okay. I never really got sick. I probably did but when we did facelift facelift was the first reality design show on HGTV American here and everything. And nobody ever really the only show that was out was the Osborne's and so you're we're following the puck so you've got come from the painted house which has hair and makeup and of setting everything up to literally

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As it happens, so the best thing that could happen to us was somebody being sick, violently, dying great. Or an accident because we would film everything. And it was all part of the show. And we had this worry.

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So we had this tiny little guy who was an electrician, put, I'm sure he's in therapy still. And I remember him falling off a ladder, and breaking both his arms.

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Get a camera outside when the ambulance comes, okay, I want him being lifted out, because he was

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injury,

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pick up broken both arms even better, quick, terrible, terrible. And I think when that incident, we had many incidents like that, I think we had People Magazine sitting there. And they were like, so we didn't push him. Not well, it might have done but that's what producers want, though. They want that drama. Yeah, I have another hotel story that's not mine. But this is amazing. I don't even know if it's going to make the Edit because it's so gross. But I had a friend who was staying at the Waldorf Astoria in New York before it started the red house. And she had always wanted to stay, there was this big fulfillment of a dream of glamour that she wanted to enact. And so she checked in with her husband, and she went into the closet to put some things away, and there was on the floor of the closet, a giant tub of personal lubricant with hair.

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So, being so incredibly grossed out by this, she called the front desk and she said, Please, we need to be moved to another room. I don't want to stay here. So they came up and they took their luggage out and they moved them to another room and she checked the closet right away, and there was nothing and it was fine. And when they came to bring her luggage that they'd moved from the other room, they knocked on the door, and the man was standing at the door and said, This is your

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tub of lube.

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And she said she screamed right in his face and said that's not mine. But he probably wasn't even listening and told everybody Oh, I'm sure everybody downstairs in the housekeeping department knew about it. Yeah, it was disgusting. God hated hills. We're just gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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How about another question from the audience? I want someone else's voice. So this is a design question.

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So I live a bit of a transient lifestyle, I move around a lot. And I have a hard time maintaining a good aesthetic as I bounced to different spaces with my core things. But every space seems to need something to make it more like home. Do you have any advice? I'm moving again in like, two months? Are you in the witness protection program?

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Okay, because they have funding for this.

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So it's funny because our podcast, we don't talk a lot about decorating, I love to talk about it. Debbie hates talking about it. So I'll take that question. I have also been quite transient in periods of my life. And I'm also a cancer. So I'm a serious homebody. And I do have things that I bring with me, if you look at the photographed images of my homes over the decades, you can see all many of the same pieces of furniture, and certainly artwork. But the one thing that you can do to make a new place feel like the last place is be consistent with the color that you paint it because it's cheap, you can do it yourself. And if you pick a color that is strong enough and that you like enough, and that you make, you know that you put on the walls of at least one room in each place that you successively go to, then that will be something that's connective tissue for you. And it will be something that looks and feels familiar. And it will be a grounding element. It's the easiest and the cheapest way to do it. Without you know completely reinventing the wheel every time. Well to piggyback off of that, you know, you guys do a lot of travel, what is something that you have to bring with you on the road to make you feel like home? When giant

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and carrot

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never leave home without your carrot or

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she still has the same carrot.

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I would love to see the pictures of the children but actually pictures of my dog.

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Oh my god, one of your kids is he knows I love to look better, do better.

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Don't take the same things with me everywhere I go. But I do have a system that I used to travel like when I'm with Debbie in Europe in a month or so. I'm traveling from Toronto to Budapest to Nuremberg to Prague to Rome to Tuscany to Milan to London and then home. And I'm gone for a month. And so what I tend to do is a really strict packing regime of rinse and repeat. I have five days worth of clothes, and I washed them every five days. When I'm with Debbie it's Mariana who does

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and once when Patrick and I were staying with Debbie and Hannah

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tends to be polite. I said, Could I do the laundry? She said, No, I'm not letting you near those machines. And so she did the laundry and Debbie went in there. And she's

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remember remember the underwear? Yes.

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They were the smallest knickers she'd ever seen.

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I thought somebody's got their child staying.

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There's at the smallest knickers I've ever seen. They were Yeah, little ones. There. Patrick's not mine. Minor, big.

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Minor huge.

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Anyway, I do rinse and repeat because and I have a wardrobe that's super interchangeable. So right now I'm wearing jeans and a black shirt and black shoes I wear mostly Navy and black when I'm traveling. If it's warm, then it's usually like white and navy. And just combining different things, bringing separate and rinsing and repeating every time but I don't bring sentimental things with me. I collect sentimental things. I'm not going to go into the number of things I've stolen from Debbie's house when I stayed there, but there's always something you can pick up my Susan memento. Yeah, I have a few knives, stickers.

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one of the questions that came in on Instagram we had posted was if you could be anyone else in the world, anyone, whether it's someone who has a public profile or not, would you be her?

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Have you seen where she lives?

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Gosh, who would you be? I don't know. I'm quite happy. I'd like to be younger, I'd love to I'd love to be 20 years younger and just do it all again. And just you know, I think that's the horrible thing about getting older is you know, it's like there's so much to do so much to see so much to enjoy. I mean, I think the trick is to not want to be anybody else to want to be the best possible version of yourself that you can be. And I think we both do a fairly good at times ego maniacal job at that. I think moments Yeah, no, I definitely have moments where I look in the mirror and think oh my god, like what happened? I actually recently did something so egocentric, I think, I don't know, because I don't have anything to compare it to. But there's an artist that I follow on Instagram, who is portraits I really love. He does portraits. And I sent him a photograph of me that was taken when I was like 20. And I was fucking stunning. Like, I mean, it is such a beautiful picture. I don't mind saying. And I said would you paint this in your sort of style of portrait painting? And he's doing it right now. So two minutes. Yeah, I'll have to post it when it's done. Because now people are going to be curious, but I thought after I did it, I thought was that like a really weird thing to do, like, commissioned a portrait of yourself but yourself at 20? Well, couldn't look at a portrait of myself. above the mantle pieces. I don't. I don't It's not big. It's not like a great big Picture of Dorian Gray thing. It's just a little thing.

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Okay, another one that came in. So you guys have been on TV for most of your professional lives. What are your favorite TV shows and you cannot name something either of you have been in? Okay. Okay. So I'm going to pick one that is in the lifestyle category just because for me, it was such a revelation. So Lynn Crawford's show pitching in, which was a cooking show where Lynn went to farms to see the food produced at the source and then made a world class gourmet meal for the people who produce the ingredients. I thought that was one of the cleverest, most original, most engaging, most riveting shows I've ever seen in lifestyle category. And because I love that show so much. I made her my friend. No, I made a point of meeting her. And I forced her to fall in love with me. And we have been very, very dear friends ever since. And the amazing thing about her is that being with her, just at her own farm, you know, she has her own farm now. He's just like being in the show. And she's mad. She's fun. She can own a hell of a meal out of almost nothing. And she grows her own food. Now. When she comes out, she she's done two events that are placed in Italy. And she came last summer with her family, which was lovely pitching in was one of those shows, though, that I think really changed the game. Like it was just one of those seminal incredible Maverick programs that changed it for me. Yeah, Debbie, how about you? Well, I think today we're in an amazing era of just incredible dramas and I know what your favorite is. You do don't you go Happy Valley. I love to happy valley the last season of Happy Valley which I don't know if you've got here. Yes, he's British crime procedural. There was seven years between the last episodes the last seasons and then seven years and Sarah Lancashire who you will know she was

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Julia Child's in the Julia Child, one of the best actresses they're thinking about Happy Valley was Jan Norton, who's the he's the bad guy. And it was so great. It's a really riveting. I loved it as well. But it's your favorite because when it was on you kept on texting me or what's happening me and saying Have you watched it? Have you watched it? I can't. It's a British show. And they don't have it here. Yeah, but it's good, man. Hey, guys, I was just wondering for Lisa's podcast, and I think everyone here might be interested. But what advice would you have for your younger selves? Hmm, what advice would I have for my younger self, I certainly have more sex.

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